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Saving the Elza Discord

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 5:44 pm
by Aeducan
btw it currently makes no sense to start as a newbie char

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 13:56 Uhr
What's the biggest hardship you'd say?

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 13:56 Uhr
there´s no loot ^^
crafting isn´t a source of income
or resources aren´t available
carpentry used to be a good start but with the current prices for arrows it´s not wor
worth the time
haven´t tested yet, but i guess you can´t sell any packed items you craft either, but will do that next

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 13:58 Uhr
Isn't it the same price as before for Arrows ?

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 13:58 Uhr
no - it´s a mere fraction of it

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 13:58 Uhr
Crafting and economy are a horrible mess. Its tough for us to get good bandaids. I'll definitely look intoi that before we go live with the mod

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 13:59 Uhr
put an suggestion about this in the submit along with others

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 13:59 Uhr
And thanks a lot for testing athe newbie situation - thats super important

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 13:59 Uhr
oh, its 1 copper for 10 arrows now.

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:00 Uhr
that was suggested by others on the live servers as too high.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:00 Uhr
no
the normal 1c per arrow was suggested to be too high

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:00 Uhr
look at the bug report.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:00 Uhr
and some other community servers did tone it down
which one

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:01 Uhr
under Wiley

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:01 Uhr
so for 1k arrows you get like 10s

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:01 Uhr
its on the Arcanima forums

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:01 Uhr
but you spent around 15-20 Minutes gathering and crafting
you can make way more at bandits camp - but less at cementary
so it´s not OP in any regard

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:02 Uhr
yeah, thats what it was and currently is on Arcanima Live servers
well, he wanted it lower.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:02 Uhr
see
and can you get rich by it?
like having your 75g house in 1-2 days?

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 14:03 Uhr
Making arrows shouldn't make you rich(bearbeitet)

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:03 Uhr
that's why I posted against it

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 14:03 Uhr
They are a cheap basic supply

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:03 Uhr
the point is, Yorlik, it never did

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 14:03 Uhr
If newbies have issues making money arrows shouzldn't be the solution

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:03 Uhr
but now, aside from gaining skill, it´s just a waste of time
the solution would be that you can sell all the stuff you craft for a (low) price to vendors

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 14:04 Uhr
Agreed.

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:04 Uhr
you never could sell much to vendors
its was all player driven
the only thing you could sell to vendors were arrows and fillet fish

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:05 Uhr
ah cotton (upper) is working - wonder if that will bug out when the next auto restart occurs
Well i am all for player economy, but you still should be able to sell it to vendors, just for less than you get from players
for example - a T2 item usually goes for about 5 s on Live right?

Gladstone - letzten Sonntag um 14:06 Uhr
i think it would certainly help new starters

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:07 Uhr
so anything between 20c - 1s is feasible from vendors

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:08 Uhr
thats all I did when I was a newbie and started to buy a house, was sell 1k arrows for 10s.
@Yorlik where can you smelt ores now ? can't do from Anvils in town.
do I need to go to Furnace in Quarry Mines ?

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 14:10 Uhr
Yes

The Blast furnaces are for ingot making
Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:10 Uhr
okies.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:11 Uhr
but we will be able to craft those right?

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:12 Uhr
my point was, what you are suggesting was never on the Live Server.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:13 Uhr
what exactly - that you can´t sell crafted stuff?

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:13 Uhr
yup, afaik

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:13 Uhr
you could sell mugs for example, but not bowls
and none of the packed stuff

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:14 Uhr
exactly

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:14 Uhr
but from a crafters perspective, after i created the 1000 stool
what´s the point
you won´t sell that much to players
not by a longshot
and you can´t sell it to vendors
so you just drop it
that´s NOT a good player experience
i know this isn´t UO and it´s not realistic for most carpentry stuff and little blacksmithy, but you could recycle created items for a fraction of the materials
in fact i´d like the ability to "disassemble" drops for rare resources later on
oh
gotta put that in as a suggestion

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:16 Uhr
and you just found this out ?
It was always this way from the Live Server.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:17 Uhr
what are you talking about
ofc i knew that on the live
i am saying it is a bad thing in the first place
and bad design by Citadel
I did GM Carpentry the "normal" way on CS server
up to 40 with arrows, after that with the according difficulty item

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:21 Uhr
why are you always so defensive when we are having a normal discussion ?

(Edit: Being irritated is defensive now - al.....right - if i shake my head in disbelief to someone assuming ...that´s being defensive - that sounds so U.S. feminism style)

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:23 Uhr
well i couldn´t figure how you came to the conclusion that i just realized that you cannot sell stuff to vendors, i find that irritating
I am also not quite sure what your stance on selling stuff to vendors is now. Just because it wasn´t possible on the CS server doesn´t mean it shouldn´t be a thing on community servers

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:26 Uhr
lets just focus on the test server for now.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:28 Uhr
i was

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:28 Uhr
I am totally for it. In fact I have already discussed it with Gizmo cause he is dealing with Vendor coding.
but what you are bringing up is beyond the test server.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:29 Uhr
it has to do with the new player experience on this server
and viable solutions for it

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:31 Uhr
which is no different than the live server except for the price issues.

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:32 Uhr
i am getting the impression i am talking kisuaheli

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:33 Uhr
ok, now you are name calling and I am done. Good day!!

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:33 Uhr
what the hell are you talking about
i said i get the impression that i speak a foreign language


Gladstone - letzten Sonntag um 14:34 Uhr
is this mad sunday or something...lets all chill and enjoy the game

Elzabar / Alii / Rodac - letzten Sonntag um 14:35 Uhr
I am sorry if my english is bad. Its not my mother tongue.

Yorlik - letzten Sonntag um 14:35 Uhr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franzbr%C3%B6tchen
Franzbr%C3%B6tchen
(Edit: you broke a pretty fruitless discussion here with that and i figured it was a waste of energy to discuss it further - also I LOVE Franzbroetchen)

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:36 Uhr
Those are kilers
killers
but tasty as hell

Gladstone - letzten Sonntag um 14:36 Uhr
i want one(bearbeitet)

Aeducan - letzten Sonntag um 14:36 Uhr
ohhhh no Glad you don´t only want ONE!
After the first you´re addicted

Gladstone - letzten Sonntag um 14:37 Uhr
probably true lol

Conclusion:
After that he brought up that i flamed him for his "bad english" at least twice if i remember - which i never did.

PM to sort things out to Elza

Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 7:38 pm
by Aeducan
So i guess we need to talk. To sort it out.

For reference i have copied the initial misunderstanding we had to: https://forums.leadtalk.de/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3538

First off, i actually think your writing (grammar wise etc.) is really good, there is no indication really that english isn´t something you can speak as good as your mother tongue.

Same maybe goes for me. I am german, i can read, understand and write english just fine most of the time - at least my american friends tell me that.

I have little practice in speaking english however, though being an IT administrator, my company does not deal internationally much.

When i said "i am getting the impression i am talking kisuaheli" i was simply getting the idea that you don´t understand me. That day i also had a discussion with Kato about Fire Field spell NOT being a crowd control, while he insisted it was due to bugs in the AI.

So i was a bit - let´s say aroused already.

I want Arcanima to succeed and attract many ppl, that´s why i tested the actual mod on the new player experience - not using the /sb commands.
I did communicate that to Yorlik, but you couldn´t know.

Though while being active on this server, i thought you might have figured out, that i wasn´t an inexperienced player, that´s why i was irrititated by your question about packed items and if i have just figured it out.

From my work as an IT admin i am used to question things, because usually things aren´t as easy as ppl think or would like them to be.

For example, my boss once wanted to install Sharepoint and Microsoft Project once, just so without any preparation. It´s a complex thing to say the least and once i did it he asked me how to use MS Project - i said "how the fuck should i know?"
Baseline is - it´s two side of a coin to install a program (like Project or just Office Word Excel etc) it´s a total different thing to use them and to address the problems that arise if you have never used it.

So i question a lot, should it be this way? How does that work? And it´s required for interacting with software. Much like LoA.

To continue that comparison - just because the base software can to something in a specific way, is it right for us as a company? Does it have to be that way? Is it INTENDED that way if we change it? (Like the Arcanima mod does to the vanilla version).

You did question me at every turn and i didn´t get why and i still don´t get it.

I was just posting to the testserver channel - not to gain merit, not to "grab your glory" for reporting it first, just my personal experience.

About the weight issue you didn´t even try to understand what i was saying. You assumed it should be the way it was, that´s why i doubted you, for good reason.

But everytime you bring up the argument that i flame(d) you for your bad english.

There´s two sides to it.

First i don´t think your english (writing) is bad at all and i can´t really imagine how you could consider the "kisuaheli" part as name-calling
That´s why i had a hard time to understand that i could have been any kind of insult in the first place - especially after your reaction to me explaining what i meant.

Second i despise someone claiming something like "he flamed me for my bad language" when i didn´t - maybe it was just a misunderstanding that went really the wrong way, but from that moment forward, to me it was basically you telling people that i cyber-bullyed you for not being a native english speaker(bearbeitet)
which i am not also - i am german first and foremost
now i have been told that germans tend to be more direct, than other cultural "universes" are used to, to that i stand, i will always voice my opinion, because i am allowed to do so.
Ii do apologize if you felt, wrongfully attacked.(bearbeitet)
That won´t change, that i will not let false statements slide however - there are a few things in live i really despise and not telling the truth or lies, even based on a misunderstanding is one of them
Maybe this will clear things up, which i hope or this will make things worse.

If it is clear now, then cu on the testserver chan.

If the latter then i can´t help it further.